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Moab Support Forum > Entrada icc profiles and paper names

Just received my sample pack of papers. In the box there are four flavors of Entrada: Rag Bright 190, Rag Bright 300, Rag Natural 190, Rag Natural 300. Your icc profiles use a completely different naming convention. MOAB Entrada Bright Epson 3880 UPPM.icc (1.5M), MOAB Entrada Bright Epson 3880.icc (1.5M), and OAB Entrada Natural Epson 3880.icc (1.5M).Which ones do I use for which papers?

November 3, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterRick

Entrada Bright uses the same profile whether it's 190 or 300gsm. Same for the Natural.

November 3, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterJosh

But Rick, the confusion is there are two profiles for Entrada Bright, each with its own media type. Your post indicates that there should only be one profile each for Bright and Natural regardless of paper weight.

That's the confusion, at least for the Epson 3880 profiles. I have an email into Andy with Legion who I hope will clear this up.

Regards, David

November 7, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterDavid F

Above I meant "But Josh . . . "

November 7, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterDavid F

Here is answer from Andy:

David - Great question.

We originally made the profile for Watercolor Radiant White, which requires the use of the rear media paper path. This means everybody has to feed the paper 1 at a time in the back of the printer. Somebody approached me and asked if I would make a new profile for a media type that could be stacked in the main paper feeder, and I did that. He wanted to bulk print holiday cards. The drawback is the ink isn't as dense, by about 2 or 3%. Not much, and most people will never notice the difference.

So use the Watercolor Radiant White for best results and the other one for bulk feeding.

Please let me know if you have any additional questions. We are here to help.


November 7, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterDavid F

Andy, So now I'm totally confused. First off, I agree with Rick. Please use the same naming conventions. ALL THE TIME. What you put on the box should use the same words that you use when you are explaining to people HOW to use the different types of boxes. These should also be the same words that are on the Printer Profile. This would end the constant confusion between the Tech people and their readers. How about hiring an English major to be middleman between you guys who understand this in shorthand versions and your users who do not necessarily have the same casual understanding.

Okay, so hopefully someday that will happen. In the meantime, I am now trying to see if I want to buy some MOAB paper. I have been using Epson Enhanced Matte since the days when that was archival. Now it's not. I'm an artist. I need it to be. So I'm thinking of changing to the MOAB. I like the Entrada Rag Bright 190 because I don't want texture. 190 GSM is heavy enough for me.

But, of course as Rick says, you DON"T call it that in the printer profile instructions. YOu have TWO papers called Entrada Bright: !) MOAB Entrada Bright Epson 3880 UPPM and 2) Entrada Bright Epson 3880 ICC. So which one do I need? And which one corresponds to the Entrada 190 that I have sitting here by my computer? And which Epson print setting do I use with it, Enhanced Matte or the Watercolor Radiant White? I don't want to lose density. So, if I'm using the Entrada Bright Epson 3880 ICC, should I also use the Epson Radiant White print setting? I have been using the UPPM version with the Enhanced Matte Setting. That works okay but I have no real idea if this 190 is the UPPM or the non-UPPM paper.

There are days when I just want to beat my head on these computers or else require all Tech people to write 15 essays in standard English before they can leave the class for the day.

December 1, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterKathleen

We have two different profiles for two different needs. Let me elaborate. For the best results a fine art paper media type in the printer driver is needed. The reason is that these media types put more ink down onto the paper, and as a results we see the largest color gamut and darkest blacks. The downside is that Epson limits these media types to the rear manual paper path. This is an attempt by Epson to not have the paper jam in the printer, as the rear paper path is a more straight paper path than the normal one. We created an ICC profile for those customers who want to use the main paper path for 5x7 Entradalopes, as 5x7 paper size is not supported with the rear paper path. There is a cost to this, which is a slight decrease in color gamut and deep blacks. It is very slight, but we are always after the best output possible.

I hope this explains why we have two different ICC profiles. I will go back and update our ICC profile page to do a better job explaining the difference.

December 11, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAndy

Despite the dialogue above, I'm still confused on the profile to use with "Entrada Rag Bright 190" and the paper settings for the Epson 3880.

I referenced the Specification Sheet, but even the "Recommendations" for Print Settings and ICC Profiles says: Our custom ICC profile will produce optimum results. Specific information is not provided.

Tell me simply, what paper profile do I use and what paper settings do I select in the printer.

If paper ABC requires profile ABC, that I understand. It's clear and concise. Technical explanation may be interesting but not required, for me anyway.

Just make it easy so I can enjoy your product.



January 12, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterDavid F

For normal use of entered bright, use
MOAB Entrada Bright Epson 3880.icc (1.5M)
Media Type: Watercolor Paper Radiant White

All the profiles and suggest media settings for the Epson 3880 are listed at.

In most cases the manufacturer will offer one profile and suggest one media (usually named after Epson papers) for each of their papers. In this case there is an 'alternative' profile which lets you use the bulk paper feed for certain situations. I suggest you use the regular profile and media type unless you have a special need such as putting in a bunch of sheets of paper at one time.

January 12, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterDavid F

If I have this right, normal use of entrada rag bright (190 & 300) on the Epson 3880 is the rear feed, which is invoked by the selection media type: Watercolor Radiant White (minimum paper size is 8.5 x 11 inches).

Then, the smaller entrada bright (4x6 & 5x7) must use the auto feed (Media type: Ultra Premium Paper Matte).

Is the smaller entrada bright 300 thin enough for auto feed?


January 13, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterDavid F

Great questions, David. The difference in paper paths isn't as much related to weight (190 or 300gsm), but rather the media type limitations that we can use for each paper path. For example, the absolute best results will usually be with fine art media types, as the printer is putting down an optimal amount of ink on the paper. In order to use the bulk paper path feeder we cannot use a fine art media type, so we use something else. This other media type allows for the bulk feeding of paper, but the blacks and overall color gamut is slightly reduced. So it is a balance between usability and quality.

January 17, 2013 | Registered CommenterMoab Paper Support

I am new to your product and I just read the above threads hoping you were going to answer there question. So here goes mine, I have an epson 3880 pro printer with the mac OSX10.6 operating system and I have purchased a few different papers with which none of them match the names in your icc profiles. Which icc profile do i download and what paper setting on the epson printer software do i use?
1) lasal PHOTO MATTE 235
2) ENTRADA fine art bright
3) entrada RAG NATURAL 300

June 6, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterJason L

Jason, all the profiles are found on the following web page, and the names pretty closely match the moab paper names. See: There is lots of other info on the write on how to use the papers. D.

June 6, 2013 | Unregistered Commenterdavid f

I am using lasal matte 235, and the profiel says to choose the ulatra smooth fine art media type, but I cannot choose in printer dialogue when I am trying to print...


July 15, 2014 | Unregistered Commenterjayms

Jayms, you will need to select a paper path on your printer that supports fine art paper paths. For example, on the Epson 3880 you need to select the rear paper path before those media types show up.

July 17, 2014 | Registered CommenterMoab Paper Support

I have just purchased my first box of Moab Lasal Exhibition Luster. I'm using QImage to print. I have installed the profile from Moab. Now I need to know which paper to select in the Epson printer setup. I don't have a 'luster' option. I have Ultra Glossy, Premium Glossy, Premium Semi Gloss, Glossy etc.

August 13, 2014 | Unregistered Commenterbrucet

What you are referring to are the Media Types, which are always going to be Epson paper names. This is a different area than where you control color with ICC profiles, which will be in the printing application. These Media Type names control the amount of ink that gets put down onto the paper (ink limits), which black ink is used and a few other internal settings that the printer benefits from. Our recommended media type can be found next to each of our ICC profile download links on this site, as each printer / paper / ICC profile may require a totally different Media Type.

August 13, 2014 | Registered CommenterMoab Paper Support

Thanks. Yes I should have said Media Type. However my Epson 1410 has NO 'luster' option. I have downloaded the latest Epson driver and installed it but still no 'luster' option. I previously was using Ilford products! Now they are no longer available everyone has recommended Moab. With the Ilford 'Smooth Pearl' I used their profile and media set at Epson Ultra Glossy'. (As per Ilfords instructions). If I have chosen correctly then would 'Ultra Glossy' also work with Lasal Exhibition Luster? I haven't received my paper yet but I have a large museum job next week and I'm panicking about the prints!
Thanks for your feed back.

August 14, 2014 | Unregistered Commenterbrucet

Epson updates their printer drivers over time, and as such their media type names also change.

What papers in your media type list are there that sound similar to a luster type paper? Semigloss? Since I don't know what you have I don't know what to recommend.

August 14, 2014 | Registered CommenterMoab Paper Support

The choice is very limited.
Ultra Glossy.
Premium Glossy.
Premium Semigloss.
Archival Matt.

I'm printing with an Epson 1410/1400. (1410 is a 240 volt version of the 1400. I'm in Australia).
I use QImage for my printing.

My Moab paper has arrived. I've done a few quick tests. I selected Ultra Glossy. The results are not quite as saturated as the Ilford paper but more accurately represent the QImage soft proof.
So at the moment all seems well unless you think I should be using another media type. When I get time I can test with other settings but time is a real issue for me at the moment.


August 15, 2014 | Unregistered Commenterbrucet